Triton #78 topsides paint

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:22 pm

I'd be interested to see that alexseal run-cutting procedure. It wouldn't have saved my first coat, but it might come in handy yet!

By the way, thanks for all the comments on the color, guys. The silver lining of my stormy mood is that this color is definitely worth the effort. It'd really suck to be busting my hump like this and be less than enthused about the color!

Post by **Tim** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:06 am

The only problem is you'll be spending the rest of your days telling all the onlookers what that color is, since few people have ever seen it.

I love it. I think it's a great--and unique--choice.

Post by **Tim** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:12 am

Figment wrote:I'd be interested to see that alexseal run-cutting procedure.

I posted the manufacturer-sanctioned process here.

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:03 pm

I have some sanding ahead of me.

Just one little corner of the shed.

Post by **Tim** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:01 am

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:51 pm

the latest coat.

Sanding for the next.

grampianman · Post by **grampianman** » Wed May 03, 2006 9:25 am

The paint job looks fantastic. I hope to do as well with mine.

One problem I had was from blowing dust. We are under fire-watch conditions as we have not had any significant rainfall for three months here is SW Florida. The result was an amazing amount of dust as the wind was blowing 10 - 15 knots with gusts up to 20 over the past weekend. We have bromeliads (called air plants down here) which grow in the live oak trees and they are seeding right now - imagine dandelion-like floating seeds coating any surface with either moisture or a slightly rough surface!

Keep up the good work, and it's a great looking colour, too!

Cheers,
Ian

Post by **Tim** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:51 pm

grampianman wrote:imagine dandelion-like floating seeds coating any surface with either moisture or a slightly rough surface!

Wow, that sounds like a painter's nightmare!

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Wed May 03, 2006 8:13 pm

We had a 20knots outside when I applied that last coat. Someone tried to open the door to the shed while I was rolling paint nearby and I think he may have actually soiled his pants as a result of my reaction. Mercifully, dust has not been impactful thus far, and I'm hoping to keep it that way.

Tim wrote:The only problem is you'll be spending the rest of your days telling all the onlookers what that color is, since few people have ever seen it.

That's already started. I've recently started renting yard space to a boat hauler. One would think that this guy has seen a LOT of boats, but it was a new color on him.

I figure I can put up with it. I'm sure that Nathan has endured countless iterations of "I love that black hull.... what? it's green? really, cuz it looks black from here...." ;)

Post by **dasein668** » Thu May 04, 2006 12:45 am

Figment wrote:I'm sure that Nathan has endured countless iterations of "I love that black hull.... what? it's green? really, cuz it looks black from here...."

And how!

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:46 pm

I think this is the final coat.

Not without its flaws, of course. This little beady beauty collected on the break of the transom and made a run for it when I wasn't looking!!!

Post by **Tim** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:53 pm

Figment wrote: Not without its flaws, of course. This little beady beauty collected on the break of the transom and made a run for it when I wasn't looking!!!

Never go out of your way to point your flaws out to others!

Well, orange peel or not, I think the paint looks great. You can't beat the shine, and from the distance of these photos she looks terrific.

Please take some photos of her, if you can, when she leaves the shed on the truck.

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:14 pm

A bright spot in a grey, drizzly day.

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:00 pm

Glad to see it, looks very nice in the water!

Shark · Post by **Shark** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:42 pm

Congratulations Mike! She looks great. Your hard work has definitely paid off. Way to go!

Lyman

Post by **Tim** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:54 pm

A few posts back, I wrote:Please take some photos of her, if you can, when she leaves the shed on the truck.

Wow, thanks! What other tricks can I make you do, I wonder?

She looks excellent, Mike. I like the copper bottom, too.

Post by **dasein668** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:29 pm

Rawk!

What did you end up using for bottom paint?

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:37 pm

Gorgeous!

-Britton

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:43 pm

Wow, what a great looking boat - you must be so happy! When you're rowing ashore in the dinghy and you look back at her, you're going to forget all about that trouble you had with the paint :-) Good for you for pressing on with it!

--- Rachel

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:36 am

Were you just looking for the pic of the shed giving birth, or were you more interested in how specifically the trailer cradled the boat? I have other pics as well, though I don't imagine it's anything substantially different from what you've seen with your hauler.

The bottom paint is oldschool Pettit Copper Bronze ablative. I'm actually a bit disappointed in the color. It's a bit more brown than I had expected. I wasn't expecting "shiny new penny", of course, but it's really much closer to "penny that's been coffee-glued to the bottom of the car's cupholder".
I'm ordering a quart of the non-ablative version for use on the dinghy, so we'll see if that's any closer to my vision.

Thanks for the kind compliments, folks.

grampianman · Post by **grampianman** » Thu May 11, 2006 1:31 pm

Figment,
You've done a hull of a job. Hope I get half as good as your finish.

Cheers,
Ian

Post by **Tim** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:17 pm

Figment wrote:Were you just looking for the pic of the shed giving birth, or were you more interested in how specifically the trailer cradled the boat?

No, actually I just like to see the view of the whole boat in all her glory, just like that last picture you posted. I like the full effect of the boat out of the water after a fresh paint job.

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:48 pm

Hint, and ye shall recieve!

One hitch, though. The hull and the boatstands now clash. I'm going to have to repaint them again before the fall.

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:58 pm

and just in case this thread isn't already death to dialup, a couple of pics from Julia's killer camera.

killer camera can't do anthing about the light of a cloudy evening, though.

MikeD · Post by **MikeD** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:41 pm

She looks fantastic! You must be very pleased with all the effort you put into the job!

Nice brightwork, nice boot stripe, nice nioce nice!! You're my new hero. :)

Did you do the decks too?

Keep the pics coming...

Post by **Tim** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:52 am

Most excellent indeed!

Now relax and enjoy her. And don't plan any big projects for next spring!

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:06 pm

aw, c'mon!!! The gears are already turning on the wooden toerail and bowsprit!!! ;)

xroyal · Post by **xroyal** » Fri May 12, 2006 9:14 pm

Simply beautiful!

(that was a killer trailer)

Challenger949L · Post by **Challenger949L** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:15 pm

Who did the hauling with the hydraulic trailer?
Jimmy

jhenson · Post by **jhenson** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:31 am

Figment,

Thanks for your extensive documentation of this phase of your continuing restoration. It has been great to watch the progress of the project with your almost daily posts. The boat looks fantastic!

Are there any advantages to doing the toerail before the boat is painted? I'm thinking of pressing on to that when the temperatures here are tickling 100 degrees this summer.

Joe

Post by **dasein668** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:18 am

jhenson wrote:Are there any advantages to doing the toerail before the boat is painted?

Well, you won't damage the paint while working with a 30 foot length of teak or mahogany... I don't think Mike will have trouble doing it the other way around, but I was glad that I didn't have to worry about my new paint when I did my toerail.

Post by **Tim** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:41 am

jhenson wrote:Are there any advantages to doing the toerail before the boat is painted?

I've done it both ways. It's nice to not have to worry about the hull when installing the wood, but it's not really that bad if the hull is already painted either, as long as the paint had reached its full cure stage (3 weeks or longer for Awlgrip or Alexseal). I wouldn't want to rush into it right after a paint job, though.

If you have the opportunity to do the wood first, I would suggest you do.

jhenson · Post by **jhenson** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:57 am

Toerail...

What I meant to say was rubrail. Not that it changes the question though.

Joe

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:57 pm

Joe, why don't you start a new thread and discuss your rubrail/toerail ideas. I could probably get some good ideas from it. While it may be a bit optimistic I would like to scratch that item off my list sometime this summer.

-Britton

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:59 pm

Jimmy,
www.brownellsystems.com
Total overkill for a Triton, obviously, but we have a history.
Watching that trailer go swimming and come back with a Valiant 40 (14 tons?) is something else entirely!

All things being equal, I would have preferred to do the rubrail before the paint, but affordable "indoor" winter storage may not be an option in future years, and I figured that the rubrail was the more weather-tolerant of the two issues.

jhenson · Post by **jhenson** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:35 pm

Joe, why don't you start a new thread and discuss your rubrail/toerail ideas. I could probably get some good ideas from it.

Good idea! I collect my thoughts on this and start a new thread.

Joe

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:36 pm

Figment wrote:The bottom paint is oldschool Pettit Copper Bronze ablative. I'm actually a bit disappointed in the color. It's a bit more brown than I had expected. I wasn't expecting "shiny new penny", of course, but it's really much closer to "penny that's been coffee-glued to the bottom of the car's cupholder".
I'm ordering a quart of the non-ablative version for use on the dinghy, so we'll see if that's any closer to my vision.

Followup: The antifouling performance of this stuff is not spectacular. It requires a scrubbing swim every so often. I wasn't expecting it to perform on par with modern formulas, so I can't say I'm "disappointed", but if I use it again next year, I'll probably spike it with some cayenne pepper.

The color does brighten after it's been in the water a while, very much the "shiny new penny" look. I'm told that it was pretty dazzling as the boat was hauled up the ramp into direct sunlight. Of course, this is only 3 weeks after a scrubswim.

Post by **Tim** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:14 pm

Figment wrote:
Figment wrote:The bottom paint is oldschool Pettit Copper Bronze ablative. I'm actually a bit disappointed in the color. It's a bit more brown than I had expected. I wasn't expecting "shiny new penny", of course, but it's really much closer to "penny that's been coffee-glued to the bottom of the car's cupholder".
I'm ordering a quart of the non-ablative version for use on the dinghy, so we'll see if that's any closer to my vision.
Followup: The antifouling performance of this stuff is not spectacular. It requires a scrubbing swim every so often. I wasn't expecting it to perform on par with modern formulas, so I can't say I'm "disappointed", but if I use it again next year, I'll probably spike it with some cayenne pepper.

The color does brighten after it's been in the water a while, very much the "shiny new penny" look. I'm told that it was pretty dazzling as the boat was hauled up the ramp into direct sunlight. Of course, this is only 3 weeks after a scrubswim.

Any chance of a current picture?

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:15 pm

I didn't have a suitable camera with me yesterday.

I know, I know, ten demerits for me. Bad forum member. BAD!

The Good Goose · Post by **The Good Goose** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:18 pm

Do you know a paint that doesn't have to be scrubbed periodically? I used Petit Trinidad when my boat was in Noank and I usually scrubbed it once a month or so. I think you have to scrub them all. Come to think of it I think I put Cayenne in it too.
Brock

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:56 pm

Were you scrubbing for slime or for hard growth?
The bulk of what I scrubbed off was simple brown slime, but here and there I'd have to turn the brush on its side and knock off some actual barnacles.
Also bear in mind that I dock in brackish water, not full-salt like you had in Noank.

Haulout day always becomes a big bottompaint comparison festival. 15 boats that for the most part spend the same amount of time in the same water, a fair pallette of comparison. (For what it's worth, the cleanest boats that came out on Monday (besides mine, of course) were using West Marine's house brand ablative with the antislime additive)
As the last boat out, I had the full rank of spectators oohing and aaahing at my relatively growth-free hull, until someone blabbed "nah, he's nuts, he scrubs the hull". This, of course, inspires a chorus of "cheater cheater CHEATER!!!"

Yeah, by the time the last boat is out, a fair amount of beer has been consumed.

Mark.Wilme · Post by **Mark.Wilme** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:25 pm

Of the 15 boats, were they all used to the same extent or is that not a factor ?

Post by **dasein668** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:00 am

In Maine I've had good results with the West Marine house copolymer ablative. I definitely get some slime, but no real hard growth. And the slime usually only shows up in certain areas on the hull, presumably where there is less hydrodynamic scrubbing?turn of the bilge especially.

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:10 am

Mark, I dunno if any science exists on the topic, but my own sense of it is that it's not a factor.

I can see how a planing powerboat might* be able to affect its growth level with regular use, but on a displacement hull I don't think it matters. I think that whatever modicum of "washing" happens while underway at 5 knots is going to be insignificant compared to the growth that happens when the boat is sitting still the other 95-98% of the time. (boats I think of as "well-used" are underway maybe 10 hours/week)

*My father's 25knot powerboat came out with just as much slime as anyone else's, and a LOT of hard growth on the props and shafts.

The Good Goose · Post by **The Good Goose** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:04 pm

I just scrubbed for slime. I never had any hard growth. I also got two years out of the Petit Trinidad.

Brock

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:06 pm

Hey Mike or anyone else...

I hear that the high build primer is pretty amazing stuff. I was wondering exactly how wonderful. More specifically, what grit sandpaper should I finish up with before apply it?

-Britton

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:44 pm

Where'd you hear that?

I think I prepped it down to 180, which was just plain stupid. I think the directions say that 80 or 120 is acceptable, and this seems far more sensible.

Post by **Tim** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:07 am

I would go to a minimum of 120, which would probably be fine for pre-high build. I usually take it to 220, often because I'm not always sure whether I'm going to use the high build or not.

The high build is helpful, but don't expect miracles either.

Post by **Tim** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:08 am

Oh, and nice topic dredge, Britton!

jhenson · Post by **jhenson** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:30 am

Figment,

I?m just starting to work on fairing the hull in the next week or so. I need to do quite a bit of work where the toerails were modified, but there are also lots of other areas that need work. Some of them are self-induced when I decided to rush the paint removal process. Others are imperfections that I can see through hard knocks since the last time it was painted.

You stated, back when you did this work, the transom on your boat was really out of fair.

Maybe this should be obvious to me, but how did you know this to be so before the primer was on?

Joe

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