Really crazy ideas...

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:11 pm

You know...

I am just musing a bit here...

But...

I noticed another Triton come up on Ebay today and it got me thinking. If a Triton, albeit a worn out Triton, could be had for a few hundred bucks, and if I could find the storage space, then maybe I should collect a second Triton or two. That way I could sail and work on my dream boat at the same time. When the 'real' boat was done then I would have another boat to do what I wanted with. Maybe strip it down to a daysailing/raceboat kind of interior and just keep it really really simple.

Even a free Triton could be made to sail safely for short money. A good rig and a sound hull and a person could be good to go. It is the systems and cosmetics that seem to suck all the money and time.

Just some idle thoughts...

-Britton

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:49 pm

At one particularly weary point of my recore project I had the opportunity to pick up a Typhoon for a song. My thought was that I would leave the triton in the shed for the summer and continue on with other projects, but still have the ability to do some daysailing now and again.

In retrospect, I'm absolutely convinced that the triton would still be in a thousand pieces.

Mark.Wilme · Post by **Mark.Wilme** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:43 pm

Reminds me of a chap in Maine a few years ago

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:51 am

That could just work.....

However, I could easily see myself spending too much time on the second boat, like Figment says. (Funny, but there was a neglected Typhoon at the marina ALL summer tempting me.)

So, although having a second Triton would be really neat in some ways - you could test out certain ideas, or perhaps swap parts - I wonder if it might be better if the second boat were, say, a Catalina 22 (or the like). Something a bit less tempting to work on, and that could be conveniently transported when you bought/sold it.

The second Triton does sound cool though :-)

Great thread title, too -- I'm sure glad Tim added the "Ramblings" sub-forum :-)

--- Rachel

Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:55 am

You're not going to get a Triton in sailable condition for a few hundred bucks. You'll get a major project. These dirt-cheap boats are either stuck in the middle of a failed project, are awaiting the beginning of a failed project, or have simply been neglected and allowed to fall apart for years--thus needing a major project.

Unless you find a rare gem, you need to spend more like $3,000-$4000 to find a beat, ugly, worn-out Triton that you could probably sail for a year or two as is, while ignoring the problems that that particular boat would also have--like old rigging, or soft decks, or some such. But even at these more reasonable prices, there's no doubt that you'd end up dumping time and energy into the second boat, to the detriment of work and effort on your "real" boat.

I think a second boat is a great idea that helps one maintain their sanity during a long project that is otherwise keeping you from sailing. But I would recommend searching for a smaller, very simple boat to satisfy your sailing urge in the meantime--something like a Typhoon, Ensign, or even Catalina 22, or whatever. The idea, after all, is to get that sailing fix from time to time. You don't have to love the second boat; in fact, I think it might be better if you didn't. Something trailerable might make a lot of sense too, to ease the pain of off-season storage fees and to make selling easier at the end. You'd be better off spending $2000 for one of these boats, because they require so little after the fact. Boats like Tritons are just that much larger that their basic needs require so much more.

As aways, any individual boat has its pros and cons, condition-wise, and needs to be evaluated on those merits versus its price. Then, that needs to be evaluated based on your own needs, ability to spend, and so forth.

Even with a second boat to sail, your sailing time is necessarily limited if you want to get any work done on your project. Sailing time and project time, when working outdoors, happen to occur at the same time of year. One or the other has to give.

The best situation, when contemplating a project, is to simply keep one's current boat, and then work on the project without a need to invest additional funds in a "new" second boat.

There's no way around it: project completion requires a large amount of discipline, self-starting, and avoiding undue temptation from other pursuits in the meantime. That's assuming that completion of the project is first and foremost in one's mind. It's very tough to be landlocked during a long project--something I can't imagine doing for any length of time. I took this summer off from sailing to build my house, and I know I couldn't--and won't--do something like that for more than one season. I did it so that I could focus on the task at hand--something that is also required with a project boat. And I did it knowing that it would only be one season. Knowing there is a finite time frame allows almost any sacrifice to be made. But open-ended projects can be a real killer.

Another alternative might be to concentrate your immediate efforts on those projects and upgrades that will allow you to relaunch your Triton next season, and thereafter, and then finish up the less essential portions over the next couple seasons. Maybe this means focusing on the rig and external condition of the boat, and get those done so that you can truly enjoy the boat; then, you can at least daysail while you continue to work on your systems and interior. I know, I know...your boat may already be too much in the midst of the "big" project to do this, but it's a thought anyway. Or maybe you ignore the cosmetics and focus on something else. You know what your own priorities are.

The cost of a big project, particularly a "dream boat" project, can get out of hand, and can be a large barrier to successful completion. At a minimum, this can tend to stretch the duration of the project out by several years, which is very discouraging if you have no other means to sail. The longer it takes, the more likely one can become to search for other avenues in the meantime...which, in most cases (hate to say it) leads to an unsuccessful project. Focus, and getting the project done in a reasonable time frame, are essential.

Again, this is a good argument to seriously look at a second, simple boat to sail. You need to determine that fine line between "too inexpensive", in terms of buying cheaply, but also buying too much of a project, and "too expensive"--that is, spending so much on the "good" boat that you can no longer spend any on your project. But if you're looking at a several year completion timeframe anyway, then I'd say that spending a bit more for a sailing boat in the meantime might actually be money well spent.

It's either that, or beg, borrow, steal, and scrimp and just find a way to complete the project, however painful. But I couldn't agree more that project boats, while fun and fulfilling, should never be had at the total expense of sailing time.

It's a tough situation. Just beware of those tempting "cheap" boats and consider all the real costs involved. That particular Triton on Ebay right now, for example, probably needs more than your existing boat to be ready to sail again--never mind the transport and storage costs in the meantime.

CharlieJ · Post by **CharlieJ** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:29 am

If you want a second boat for a sailing "fix" during a big project, look at a sunfish or a sailing dinghy or something like that. Quick to rig for a short afternoon sail and when you don't want to mess with it, it happily lives turned upside down on some saw horses beside the building. No maintenance, no dock fees, no extra costs or time consumption.

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:28 am

Tim wrote: These dirt-cheap boats are either stuck in the middle of a failed project, are awaiting the beginning of a failed project, or have simply been neglected and allowed to fall apart for years--thus needing a major project.

Not to put too fine a point on it. ;-)

And you're right, Charlie, something much smaller than a Catalina 22 is probably an even better solution. I was thinking that Brittton's brother (or whomever he was referring to ;-) might still want to overnight. Or else I've been warped by our excessively cold water and so have forgotten about "wet" boats.

And no, I wasn't warped before, thank you ;-)

--- R.

bhartley · Post by **bhartley** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:22 am

I am the queen of unfinished projects. Good at getting any project to the use and enjoy phase, but actually dotting all the I's and crossing the T's is a personal shortcoming. My husband will happily give you a list of the things he's waiting for me to finish.

My Typhoon project isn't one of them however. It helped a great deal that 75% of the way through, my husband expressed his extreme skepticism of me ever getting her done --especially in time for our September trip to Marblehead.

I did have to put the project on hold and do the few little projects to get our Sea Sprite in the water so I could actually get a sailing fix for a few weeks. There is definately something to be said for being able to get a tangible reminder of why you're knee deep in epoxy.

The sailing on my Ty (which I did every day for the entire month we were in MA) was made all the more enjoyable knowing that everything was done. Sure, a boat is a permanent project and there is always something that needs to be done, but the restoration list is all crossed off.

The funny part about the boat arriving (after a 26 hour drive) in Marblehead is that our friends who stopped by to visit before she was launched all said how nice she looked, etc. BUT to them, she looked like every other Typhoon in Marblehead Harbor. They figured I painted her up and threw a few coats of Cetol on the teak.

Fortunately all of my pictures are digital and I spared my husband the embarassment of whipping the photos out of my pocket and sharing the gruesome details with every passerby!

I can highly recommend making a detailed list (and a summary if the detail is too discouraging) and sticking to it. Adding a second boat for parts sounds good, but think of the time you will kill surfing the web, driving to look at duds and generally day dreaming about finding an awesome deal that everyone has overlooked.

Sharing your milestones with the list here will help you keep going. It's hard to find friends and family who get excited about finally having all of the deck hardware stripped off and the preliminary sanding done. Showing off the prep-work for your total deck recore doesn't go over well in many social circles, BUT that's why you're here with a group of people who will cheer you on and keep you moving.

Better get back to work on one of my unfinished projects that I am getting paid to do!

Cheers,

Bly

Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:48 am

Rachel wrote:
Tim wrote: These dirt-cheap boats are either stuck in the middle of a failed project, are awaiting the beginning of a failed project, or have simply been neglected and allowed to fall apart for years--thus needing a major project.
Not to put too fine a point on it. ;-)

I find that frankness is usually the best way to go!

Maybe I should have said that finding a sailable boat for this money would be unusual, at best. I shouldn't exclude the possibility that they exist, though.

bhartley wrote:Unfinished projects and the value of a hard deadline

I think the deadline is a great help. I'm harder on myself than anyone else, so if I set a personal deadline, I'll make it...or at least make it with only a short time overage (like the Daysailor project, which launched about 2 months later than I had hoped). Deadlines do help one become motivated. Open-end projects can languish forever if one is not careful.

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:18 pm

Tim wrote: I find that frankness is usually the best way to go!

Maybe I should have said that finding a sailable boat for this money would be unusual, at best. I shouldn't exclude the possibility that they exist, though.

Actually, in my experience (lots of shopping for a "good" sub-$6000 Triton or the like) you are right on the money. I did see a couple of boats that fit into that category (and missed buying them althought I tried to do so), but for the most part the only difference I could see between a "free" or very cheap Triton and a $4000-$5000 one was a thin - very thin- veneer of acceptability. One that I don't think too many people on this list would be able to resist peeling away, even for casual sailing.

Bly -- Great post. Funny yet insightful. And congrats (perhaps again, but no harm in double congrats) on your finished project! That's impressive :-)

catamount · Post by **catamount** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:21 pm

Setting Priorities and Deadlines, Establishing Goals

What absolutely has to be done now, with the boat out of the water, before it can go back in the water and go sailing again? What projects could be put off and done with the boat in the water, and don't need to be done before I can go sailing again? Those are the questions I keep asking myself when I'm doing triage on all the things I would ultimatley like to do.

With the boat under cover, I have to get the deck done. Once everything is sealed up again, the tent can come down. I have to get the thru-hulls rebedded (and re-located as appropriate), the gate valves upgraded, and the prop shaft projects done, before the boat can go back into the water.

Interior details, such as a new overhead, can wait. Painting the topsides can wait.

I dropped that hint about the Marblehead to Halifax race a few weeks ago because that enforces a definite deadline and a goal to shoot for, and further helps establish priorities (although on the other hand it also adds a bunch of work and budget items to the list). But at this stage, it is just a motivational goal (I still have to get the OK from my family, etc...).

Regards,

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:19 pm

I think part of my thinking is inspired by a wish to save a few more Triton hulls. There seem to be alot of forgotten ones out there just rotting in boatyards. Another smaller boat would be nice but that would definitely be a distraction. An old Triton hull would look too much like what I have now so I would be less tempted to abandon my first love. And I definitely wouldn't throw money at it. I was just thinking that I have my rig here hanging on the wrack that could just as easily be set up on another hull. As long as the chainplates were serviceable, the rudder wasn't going to fall off, and the mast step wasn't going to bust through I was thinking I could set up a daysailing boat pretty cheap with all my 'spare' parts hanging around. Of course there is the storage and miscellaneous fees that always seem to creep in which is why I am only musing idly.

As for needing the motivation to continue with the project boat that isn't really an issue for me yet. I am pretty happy hanging out at the boatyard in the evenings and weekends and I am in no great hurry to see the project finished. I like the project part. For me the journey is as important as the destination and when I do finish this project I will almost certainly start another project, though next time I will do something easy like an airplane. I love putting the bits and pieces of the various systems together after agonizing for months on how to best organize everything and it is very satisfying to see the ideal image in one's head start to materialize in real life. I definitely want to see this job done so I can move on but another year or two is okay with me. My only deadline is the Grande Triton 50th Anniversary Rendevous in 2009. I expect lots of magazine photographers there and I would like to add to the spectacle with a beautiful boat of my own.

-Britton

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:54 pm

bcooke wrote: the Grande Triton 50th Anniversary Rendevous in 2009....

Thanks for the reminder. I still need to call Bristol Yacht Club and reserve a mooring. Anyone have a connection at the Herreshoff Museum?

Post by **Tim** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:01 pm

bcooke wrote:I think part of my thinking is inspired by a wish to save a few more Triton hulls. There seem to be alot of forgotten ones out there just rotting in boatyards.

This is, of course, a worthy thought. If you happened to find one of those "rotting" ones that would be ready to go with something as simple as using your existing rig, then great.

Problem is, most of those boats just wouldn't be ready with something that simple. But if you happened upon a gem, as I said earlier, then there's merit to the idea. I'm all for the second, go-sailing, boat. I just know I could never ignore the nastiness that goes hand in hand with cheap or free Tritons, even for a brief time. Before long, I'd be "improving" everything, and thus creating another project.

Post by **Tim** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:04 pm

Figment wrote:
bcooke wrote: the Grande Triton 50th Anniversary Rendevous in 2009....
Thanks for the reminder. I still need to call Bristol Yacht Club and reserve a mooring. Anyone have a connection at the Herreshoff Museum?

Does this mean that you two are volunteering to undertake the organization and logistics of this hypothetical event?

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:07 pm

Only if you'll waive your "no rafting" rule for the photo op!

Mark.Wilme · Post by **Mark.Wilme** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:57 pm

You should take a look in Bristol harbor these days, things are a changing dockominiums going in, moorings coming out. Now I approve of the rennovation of derelict buildings but this will change the face of Bristol (we spend 4th July there most years watching the fireworks).

Not sure you'd be happy there by the time 2009 comes around.

See http://www.stoneharbourbristol.com/snapshots/index.html for more details. in terms of locations it's about 1/4 mile down from the Herreshoff.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:02 pm

Hypothetical?

The Grande Triton 50th Anniversary Rendevous would only be "hypothetical" if it wasn't considered "real" or "true" according to my dictionary.

Said rendevous is quite factual so your definition is in error. I just hope you plan on being done with your house by then and can attend. It would be a shame if you missed out on the photo op.

My sources say the details are still being worked out but it only takes two boats to make a rendevous so it is certain to happen. Mike and me in Bristol so that makes it Official.

The real question is whether to have one big meet (and where) or perhaps variable dates down the coastline so that everyone has a chance to participate with the option open to cruising to the multiple local meets. I can envision a fun summer traveling the coast to join in on all the local festivities.

Bristol would be an excellent location and considering where the boats came from quite appropriate but I wonder how many people would travel from the Chesapeake regions or from far Down East to join in. Perhaps three meets in Maine, Bristol, and the Chesapeake. But then there are all the Tritons in the Florida and Gulf regions. And then the West coast fleets. Oh, and the Great Lakes fleets (yes, I know all those lakes make for a pretty large geographical area). Oh,oh, and the New Mexico fleet (though I think the NM fleet is down to one again).

-Britton

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:26 pm

bcooke wrote: The Grande Triton 50th Anniversary Rendevous

All I can say is that I'm just glad I read about this now, so there was no chance of my accidentally making plans to attend the "Grand Triton 50th Anniversary" event instead. What an awful mistake that would have been! <shudders in horror> I know that final "e" adds a certain "je ne sais quois" that you simply cannot expect to find at a a rendezvous that lacks it.

I'm expecting your new interior to be lavish, Britton

;-)

--- R.

Post by **Tim** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:06 am

bcooke wrote:Hypothetical?

The Grande Triton 50th Anniversary Rendevous would only be "hypothetical" if it wasn't considered "real" or "true" according to my dictionary.

Said rendevous is quite factual so your definition is in error. I just hope you plan on being done with your house by then and can attend. It would be a shame if you missed out on the photo op.

My sources say the details are still being worked out but it only takes two boats to make a rendevous so it is certain to happen. Mike and me in Bristol so that makes it Official.

Well, good, then. I'm glad to know about it so that I can put it on my calendar. It's a lucky thing: my calendar for the next 2-1/2 years is packed solid, but I happen to have a few slots still open in the summer of 2009. Phew. I just hope the rendezvous occurs on one of those days. (Crossies!)

Have you lined up the local dignitaries for the big welcoming bash and presentation of the key to the city?

I'd better plan on some shop space for the winter of 2008-2009 so I can give my baby a little extra attention before the summer's media whirlwind. Is there room on the waterfront for all the satellite trucks? (Oh, I guess that's not really our worry, is it...the networks will figure it out somehow.)

Rachel wrote:I know that final "e" adds a certain "je ne sais quois" that you simply cannot expect to find at a a rendezvous that lacks it.

That final "e" just oozes style and class. All the finest rendezvouses have those extra letters somewhere in their titles.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:01 pm

I would have gone with "Le Grande ..." but I couldn't remember if it was 'Le' or 'La'. I never tried to figure out the difference.

As for my interior... it will be MORE complete than it is now but I am making no promises. I should have real plumbing including a flush toilet and sink, real electric lights, and a real propane stove. Beyond that who knows. Since I expect mostly exterior pictures I will have my boat profesionally painted using my credit card if I start questioning my ability to do it myself in time.

Do I detect a certain mocking tone in these responses? This rendevous IS going to happen you know... Be nice or I will revoke your invitations!

Oh, and Mark, we were posting at the same time. My comment about Bristol being good was in response to Mike. I didn't read your post until after I had posted. I guess I will have to dispatch a scouting team to check it out.

-Britton

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:15 pm

Scouting team rally point: A window seat at Aidan's
Pick the weekend this winter. I suggest January, when RWU is out of session.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:16 pm

Done.

Post by **dasein668** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:29 pm

Ooo! Ooo! Can I scout too?

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:44 pm

You didn't make any sarcastic comments earlier so, Yes, you can come.

hehe :-)

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:28 pm

I guess I'm out then ....

So, where are all the sarcastic people going to meet?

--- R.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:39 am

So, where are all the sarcastic people going to meet?

I hear Walker Bay is putting on a rendevous around the same time...

-Britton

Mark.Wilme · Post by **Mark.Wilme** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:57 pm

I'll join you in Bristol seeing as its about 6 miles from home even though we don't sail a Triton. Truth is I don't know what I sail again yet because we are in that limbo land of having made an offer on the boat and are waiting survey.

Ohhh I can't sleep, I am sooooooooo excited :) :) 56 hours until survey begins (and counting)

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:38 am

Good luck to you, Mark. I hope it works out for you :-) Keep us posted.

--- R.

Post by **Tim** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:01 pm

So, there's not even a semi-official invite to the scouting party for the much-maligned and misunderstood Commodore of NETA? I think I'm hurt, sarcasm or no sarcasm!

(sniff...sniff...)

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:31 pm

Ya wouldn't think the Commodore would NEED an invite... fly the pennant and go where he pleases!

It sounds like NETA needs a Master at Arms, eh?

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:26 pm

Well, if you are going to cry then you can come along. I don't want you to shed tears over your keyboard and short something out or anything...

...for the much-maligned and misunderstood ...

If you mean that the Commodore is not nearly as friendly, helpful, gracious, or handsome as others have said then I would have to disagree.

I actually haven't involved any of the official parties because I wasn't sure I wanted to get caught up in all the politics and bureaucracy that normally goes along with those sorts of organizations. If you insist on throwing the full weight of prestige and financial resources of NETA behind the idea then you are more than welcome to attend the scouting party.

Master of Arms is the guy that kicks butt and keeps everyone in line right?
Mike, since you brought it up I nominate you for the position.

-Britton

Post by **Tim** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:03 am

Yes, I understand your concerns. NETA's internal politics and red tape just get in the way of so many things, don't they.

Post by **dasein668** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:48 am

Ok, will someone just book this thing so's I can get on my calendar already?Sheesh.

::rolleyes::

hehe

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:08 am

Dragging the thread, kicking and screaming, back near the original Crazy Ideas topic;

I've had this Beetle Cat urge lately....

Discipline. I need discipline. Must develop some modicum of self-discipline. Let the chanting begin.

Post by **dasein668** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:03 pm

Figment wrote:I've had this Beetle Cat urge lately....

I love beetle cats. Get one. Or three.

(I'm not helping, am I?)

jpmathieu · Post by **jpmathieu** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:28 pm

I've had this Beetle Cat urge lately....

I think I know where you can get one, as someone tryed to sell me one last month.

Post by **Tim** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:33 pm

I love Beetle Cats (and catboats in general, for that matter).

This is the wrong place to come if you're looking for restrained caution. You know that, of course.

Want a Beetle Cat? Get it. They're small, unobtrusive, and probably too expensive for what they are. But they're great little boats. (Key = "Little". Little is always do-able.)

I agree that you ought to buy a small fleet so you can entertain others with informal races.

Post by **dasein668** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:36 pm

If you get 4, I'm sure that we can fill them for a beercan (or, perhaps, beertini) race.

We can probably twist Tim's arm for the drive down. And if Britton would ever take some time for boats....

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:23 pm

Want a Beetle Cat? Get it.

Hey!, How comes Mike gets to have one and all I get is redicule?!

And if Britton would ever take some time for boats....

I got my first real paycheck from the new second job. One paycheck went into my regular checking account and the other went straight to my boat's own bank account.

-Britton

Post by **Tim** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:10 am

bcooke wrote:Hey!, How comes Mike gets to have one and all I get is redicule?!

I'm not quite sure what redicule is (is that a fancy new lettuce?), but you get ridiculed just because you're you and, by golly, people like you.

Besides, what's a little double standard among friends.

bcooke wrote:...my boat's own bank account.

Wow! Lucky boat. My boat doesn't have her own bank account...

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:32 am

bcooke wrote:... and the other went straight to my boat's own bank account.

Gee thanks, Britton. Now my boat wants one... Do I have to get a second job?

--- Rachel

PS Being able to say "my boat" is still a thrill, so it wasn't all bad ;-)
PPS Working on the pics right now.

Hirilondë · Post by **Hirilondë** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:27 pm

Hirilond? has a bank account too. There is a long and complicated procedure for making deposits there that my wife slowly came to agree too ;)

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:55 pm

I have an URGE for a beetle. That's perfectly sane. This is in the Crazy Ideas thread because (of course) I have neither the funds to procure nor the time to campaign a beetle.

How does one keep a bank account for the boat? By definition, wouldn't it always be empty?

mmmmm redicule and spinach salad with gorgonzola and warm candied walnuts. that's good eatin.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:49 pm

Ultimately yes, the bank account will return to zero as parts on the boat is more important than interest in the bank.

The bank is a good place to store up funds for those big ticket items though. If I had to find the money for some of my bigger dreams they might never happen because I never have that much money laying around. If I keep adding $50 a week (or more like $300 at the moment)to the boat account then eventually I can buy those pretty things my boat so loves.

Do I have to get a second job?

There is always rice and beans.
There are two ways to increase wealth; earn more or spend less.

Besides, what's a little double standard among friends.

True. I feel so loved right now :-)

-Britton

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:03 am

bcooke wrote:Ultimately yes, the bank account will return to zero as parts on the boat is more important than interest in the bank.

Yeah, tell me about it...

Speaking of the 50th Anniversary get together, I may just have to leave the Caribbean for this one, unless of course you'd like to have it in Key West. :D

Post by **Tim** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:04 am

bcooke wrote:There are two ways to increase wealth; earn more or spend less.

Sadly, neither seems to work that well in practice!

Post by **Tim** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:07 am

Figment wrote:I have an URGE for a beetle. That's perfectly sane.

It's these little urges that eventually, when the time is right, lead to our aquisition of these desired items. Laying the groundwork is always good.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:04 pm

Oh yes, all the best things start with a small urge that just won't go away. Someday you will have your beetle just like someday I will get a life.

As for the 50th, the scouting party occurred a couple of weeks ago and I am still waiting for the report to cross my desk. Maybe I should flog someone. Depending on what the report says it might be just as easy to have the rendezvous in the Carribean. So far there has been an underwhelming lack of enthusiasm here in the Northeast which leads me to think that maybe the event could occur anywhere and no one would really be disapointed. I really need to flog more people.

-Britton

Mark.Wilme · Post by **Mark.Wilme** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:56 pm

Talking about beetle cats - any recommendations on a small dinghy that I can teach my 4 year old daughter to sail in (evenings, small inland lake 1 miles form the house).

I think it has to be a "sit in" v a "sit on" type.

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