Triton in the background
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Triton in the background
In todays (Sunday/Nov 12) Portland Press Heralds front page, theres a picture of Bruce Schwab Open 60 Vendee Racer..Tied up at the dock in the background lokks like a Triton, maybe even one of "ours?"
link (probably good today only)
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/home.html
link (probably good today only)
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/home.html
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I did a quick search to post a picture and show you all how wrong you are when in fact... er.... I may have to concede the point. Pictures of Vanguards from the same vantage point tend to flatten the normally very noticeable sheer line and the cabin structure looks identical to this one.
My bad. Not the first time. Not the last time :-)
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My bad. Not the first time. Not the last time :-)
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Yep, I hedged because somehow it looked like too much cabintop for an A-30. Like it was a little bit too square on the top and the forward part, ahead of the mast, was just too prominent. And I did think that that angle might have flattened the A-30's sheer even more. OTOH I couldn't be sure, so I didn't want to commit to one or the other. Additionally, I was trying not to sound like a nerdy know-it-all ... <laugh>
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I would have solved this identification dilemma decisively, but unfortunately the link to the photo is no good anymore, and I don't have a copy of the newspaper, so I can't chime in and put the question to rest.
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OK, my bluff has been called and I have received a copy of the photo in question.

I say this is an Alberg 30.
We can begin by noting the reasons why it is not one boat or another, though:
If you follow the headstay line, you can see that it is a masthead rig (which doesn't automatically discount a Triton, but I don't know of any dark green masthead Tritons in Portland).
The topsides are too high to be a Triton, though. There's also more spring to the sheer than a Triton has. Tritons' topsides are higher in the bow than the stern, but the sheerline is not very curvaceous. This one's fairly flat, but has a bit of spring amidships--more than a Triton.
Most (not all) Vanguards have spruce booms; this boat does not. Again, this is not unequivocal, but it's a good clue. Also, the boom length:mast height ratio appears closer to that of an A-30 than a Vanguard. Vanguards have very long booms, and short rigs--more distinct than that of an A-30.
The two forward ports are too closely spaced to be a Vanguard, and are proportionally correct in the cabin trunk. The forward portion of a Vanguard's cabin trunk is rather high, and the ports are small for the height of the trunk. This makes it immediately identifiable to me, and is a feature that stands out when viewing Vanguards.
The sheer is no way extreme enough to be a Vanguard--photo angle or not. Vanguards have one of the most distinct sheerlines out there, and it is very extreme. The biggest clue to a Vanguard sheerline is the dramatic upturn in the stern--very perky indeed, and visible from all angles.
Finally, the boat just looks like an Alberg 30 more than any other. It's possible that it's an Alberg 35, though, which has been visually shrunken by the distance and photo angle. But probably not.

I say this is an Alberg 30.
We can begin by noting the reasons why it is not one boat or another, though:
If you follow the headstay line, you can see that it is a masthead rig (which doesn't automatically discount a Triton, but I don't know of any dark green masthead Tritons in Portland).
The topsides are too high to be a Triton, though. There's also more spring to the sheer than a Triton has. Tritons' topsides are higher in the bow than the stern, but the sheerline is not very curvaceous. This one's fairly flat, but has a bit of spring amidships--more than a Triton.
Most (not all) Vanguards have spruce booms; this boat does not. Again, this is not unequivocal, but it's a good clue. Also, the boom length:mast height ratio appears closer to that of an A-30 than a Vanguard. Vanguards have very long booms, and short rigs--more distinct than that of an A-30.
The two forward ports are too closely spaced to be a Vanguard, and are proportionally correct in the cabin trunk. The forward portion of a Vanguard's cabin trunk is rather high, and the ports are small for the height of the trunk. This makes it immediately identifiable to me, and is a feature that stands out when viewing Vanguards.
The sheer is no way extreme enough to be a Vanguard--photo angle or not. Vanguards have one of the most distinct sheerlines out there, and it is very extreme. The biggest clue to a Vanguard sheerline is the dramatic upturn in the stern--very perky indeed, and visible from all angles.
Finally, the boat just looks like an Alberg 30 more than any other. It's possible that it's an Alberg 35, though, which has been visually shrunken by the distance and photo angle. But probably not.
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You've made a good case, Tim :-) Also, I was reading one of the last few issues of Good Old Boat last night and there was an article on the A-30, with a photo of a yellow one from just the same angle and it looked exactly the same as this boat. I didn't want to drag out the thread any longer with another boring addition, but since people will be clicking on it anyway to read your post, why not.
Nice looking A-30! :-)
Nice looking A-30! :-)
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I was ready to guess the same, but it was the fact that the mast looked tall to me.Ceasar Choppy wrote:My vote is for an Alberg 35.
Its the windows. Although they are hard to see, the A-35s have the oval main portlights, whereas the A-30s portights are more trapazoidal.
Then I "measured" it and unless my estimates were way out, it seemed more like the shorter A30 mast.

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True enough, and that's one reason why I mentioned the A-35 too. Of course, the photo is small enough and indistinct enough that those ports could be oval, or trapezoidal.Caesar Choppy wrote:Its the windows. Although they are hard to see, the A-35s have the oval main portlights, whereas the A-30s portights are more trapazoidal.
And to complicate things, a few A-35s have the standard Triton-like deadlights rather than the oval.
OK...who in Portland is going to go down to PYS and find this boat for us? hehe
I've heard about those crazies. What a weird group they must be, particularly if they ever got together in one place...Figment wrote:It's CRAZY, I know, but there are some folks out there who "renovate" or "rebuild" older boats, and sometimes make changes along the way which might blur the design lineage a bit.
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Be afraid. Be very afraid.Tim wrote:I've heard about those crazies. What a weird group they must be, particularly if they ever got together in one place...Figment wrote:It's CRAZY, I know, but there are some folks out there who "renovate" or "rebuild" older boats, and sometimes make changes along the way which might blur the design lineage a bit.
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