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It has been awhile since I posted anything from my boat and since it is both terribly cold out and I am convalescing a bit I thought today is just the day to post some pictures from my warm cozy room upstairs.

Here is a picture from my head plumbing. A free dozen donuts to the first person that can explain all the features of my Rube Goldberg-esque design. I went a bit overboard with this but then a little excess creativity is bound to crop up somewhere in any boat project. The panel is in the basement getting painted so some of the hoses/pipes are just in there temporarily as they need to pass through the panel to the actual toilet and holding tank which is located on the other side of the right hand bulkhead (under the V-berth). I also removed the intake lines as they just clutter up the picture and don't add much. I haven't rigged up the vent lines either.

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Here is the icebox in mid construction. I need to put in the inner liner but the cold and the lack of time has slowed me down.

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Yes, that icebox is rather small. I forgot about the necessary insulation on the top somewhere in the calculation process so the total height of the icebox is around 13 inches. It goes back about a foot before it slopes up following the curvature of the hull. The width is about 11". The total capacity is about 1.5 cubic feet. The whole enclosure is lined with tinfoil and then plastic sheeting and then the insulation. I plan on lining the interior with plywood and a couple of layers of fiberglass.

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While it is small, I justify it because I have never had an icebox on a boat before so I don't know what I am missing and I never developed a boat menu that needs much refrigeration. I expect the icebox to be used mostly on short weekend trips and to hold milk for my coffee on the longer trips. I also have plans for a cool, teak lined cheese locker in the bilge for added cool area storage. If I really want more I can add a portable cooler to my inventory. An icebox by the galley would be nice but easy access to the A4 is even more important to me.

My V-berth area.

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It looks almost the same as before I ripped it out. Underneath houses a stainless 28 gallon water tank (as per original) with enough room for another 20 gallons in bladders or whatever if I really need it on top of the water tank. On the port side is my 16 gallon holding tank. There are other pictures around here of those tanks. (I LOVE those tanks!) I also lowered the forward end of the V-berth about three inches to bring them more into level. The black stuff on the sides is some 1" closed cell foam insulation. I will add more above after I decide what I am doing with my toerail. I will probably cover the insulation with some sort of fuzzy auto/marine interior liner. The black splotches are from where the insulation came into contact with the V-berth while I was growing increasingly intoxicated by the contact cement used to secure the insulation. The sections of insulation were big and floppy and I was getting clumsy. I will clean that up sometime.

Finally, my settees have been replaced.

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Underneath I glued in insulation and then covered the insulation with 0.25" plywood (with several stringers interspersed along the hull). The forms you see will be mini-bulkheads to define the settee backs. The settees will be a narrow 20+" which is enough for me to sit, provides a maximum amount of storage behind, and is just adequate for sea berths.

And just in case you missed it, Here is my current inventory of AWAB clamps. I have probaby used three boxes already. Now let's see, at $20-25 a box...


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That is it for show and tell today.

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bcooke wrote:...today is just the day to post some pictures...
Excellent. Nice to see how things are going for you.

I love pictures.
bcooke wrote: The total capacity is about 1.5 cubic feet...I plan on lining the interior with plywood and a couple of layers of fiberglass.
Wow. It'll be fun doing your lining, which is a dismal job in any boat. Can you still take the whole top off, or are you limited to that tiny hole?

Add some extra glass to the bottom so that when you drop your block (singular) of ice in, you won't puncture the bottom.

What's the open space between the hull and the beadboard? Do you have a plan for that? Storage? Or just incompleteness at this point?
bcooke wrote:I never developed a boat menu that needs much refrigeration.
That's why you go cruising with friends.
bcooke wrote:And just in case you missed it, Here is my current inventory of AWAB clamps...
First thing I noticed in the picture of your settees!
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The top is just there for display puposes. It comes off. Lining the interior will still be loads of fun though.

The open space was left because I couldn't physically reach that far down into the icebox. Anything going down that far would be lost forever so it remains an 8" 'slot' following the curvature of the hull. My last version used this icebox area for general storage (which was VERY nice btw and I hate losing it) and the area below was for foul weather gear and boots. Now I am thinking I can store the same or at least a pair of rubber boots and a pair of sneakers.
That's why you go cruising with friends.
You read my mind :-) As long as you or Nathan are out there somewhere I know I will never go hungry or die from a boring diet.

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Re: Triton #680

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I thought I was ready. I felt the healing had taken place. But no. The sight of that gutted Triton interior brought me to the brink of a post tramautic stress break down. I remember my own adventure into that morass. My body went into this bent scurrying position where I could not stop leaning forward and muttering "if I do this, then........but, if I do that, then......... but if I do this!!!! what was I going to do?? I know, I am going to go broke!!!!!!

All right I have calmed down.
Great work Britton. With the size of the triton I think having the ice box in the mid peak (?) works fine. It may even free up some galley space for other things. Your investment in proper hose and poop gear will bring peace of mind and nose in the coming years spent sailing the boat.
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The fact that you managed to survive with only minimal psychological scars gives me some hope then. Your words ring so very very true...

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Your pipes valves and pump allow you to:

pump holding tank over board
pump outside water into holding tank
have holding tank pumped out from deck
pump head into holding tank
pump head overboard
pump overboard water into head

are their two exterior discharges?
below and above waterline?

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I love show and tell!

The space beneath the icebox is for the refrigeration unit. Once you start with these creature-comforts, it's a slippery slope.

That pvc pipe leading waaaaaaay aft, is that the aft run of the Headmistress's (steady, tim) prescribed huge two-way vent system?

The valve with nothing attached is intended to lead to the pump-out deck fitting?

Are your settees higher than the original design?
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The space beneath the icebox is for the refrigeration unit
Ooooo. That is a deep dark secret plan for a much future phase of reconstruction.
pump holding tank over board
yes.
pump outside water into holding tank
well, through the toilet I suppose.
have holding tank pumped out from deck
yes.
pump head into holding tank
yes.
pump overboard water into head
what is "overboard water"?

One discharge, not two...

Sorry, You missed one of the functions of the Ultimate Head Plumbing System. I will keep your preferences on file for a future reward though.

Granted with some pieces missing it might be kind of tricky. Feel free to try again.
That pvc pipe leading waaaaaaay aft
Which one?... I had a PVC pipe sitting on the settee "bulkheads" but I pushed it out of the way for the photo. Or are you talking about the elbow coming out of one of the Y-valves? In that case no, no super venting system. I realized too late that I should have put two vent fittings on my holding tank for good oxygen flow (more oxygen = less stink so I am told now)
The valve with nothing attached is intended to lead to the pump-out deck fitting?
The PVC line that runs from in front of the toilet (and then up with a Y and a PVC valve is indeed the pump out line. Until I get the deck fitting in place I have left out the final section of pipe.
Are your settees higher than the original design?
They might be but not by much. I just kind of leaned back and figured out what worked best for me. (I also referenced Skene) I wanted enough room above to stick an 11" book behind there on the shelf. (It was later that I realized the deck is sloping down so I don't get that clearance along the entire run.) They might look taller because the widths are so much shorter. My settees were 26" wide to begin with. Now they are 20". So as not to make the whole saloon look too narrow I plan on keeping a lot of the space above the settee backs open and not all closed in with cabinets like you see a lot.

Thanks for playing and feel free to try again! :-)

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Oh, and the wide angle lense on the camera adds more slope to the backrests then is really there. The actual backrests angle back 2"

When you (Mike) say PVC running Waaay back are you refering to the wooden stringer glassed to the hull from the Pearson factory? Or perhaps the plywood stick I screwed into the settee back supports to hold them temporarily while tabbing them in and then forgot to remove?

Okay here is a hint. There will be a section of PVC piping running (not shown) behind the port settee back. I wonder what that is for?...
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overboard water is not fresh water from a tank. I do not know what else to call it but then again it is late

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Figment wrote:That pvc pipe leading waaaaaaay aft,
bcooke wrote: Which one?
My thoughts exactly. I don't see that pipe. Have you been boiling epoxy without proper ventilation again, Mike?
Figment wrote:Are your settees higher than the original design?
bcooke wrote: They might be but not by much.
Aren't the "fronts" of your settees the original pieces? And the settee platform itself sits on top of the "flange" along the hull that you left when you cut out the old settees? This means your settees are 3/4" higher than original (assuming that the tops are 3/4" plywood like they look...)

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bcooke wrote:what is "overboard water"?
Robert The Gray wrote:overboard water is not fresh water from a tank. I do not know what else to call it but then again it is late.
I used to always say "seawater", but this term isn't generically accurate enough for boats in fresh water. I eventually decided that "raw water" is the best way to describe any water brought in directly from the medium in which the boat is floating.

If your boat is floating in something other than salt or fresh water (or some mixture thereof), you'll have to come up with your own term, I guess.
Robert The Gray wrote:are their two exterior discharges?
below and above waterline?
Eeeeeewww! An above-waterline head discharge is a sure way to win favor with your slip or anchorage neighbors. If you fit one, it's good to affix the most powerful jet discharge pump you can find. I recommend a nice Honda gasoline ditch pump, which will really shoot things quite far. It's good for keeping people from anchoring too close.
bcooke wrote:That is it for show and tell today.
Seeing these pictures only whets my appetite. Now I really am looking forward to visiting and seeing this in person.
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bcooke wrote:... no super venting system. I realized too late that I should have put two vent fittings on my holding tank for good oxygen flow (more oxygen = less stink so I am told now)
Well you can add that when you put in the baffles ;-)

Robert: I guess cool people call it "raw water." Britton is being a stickler for rules in his contest. Notice I'm not even trying to play (although if I didn't have to work at 0-dark-thirty I might).
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Yes, I was confusing the factory-installed wire chase for a pvc pipe. (I was running the laptop on battery last night and had the screen dialed way down). That elbow off the aft-most Yvalve helped me jump to that conclusion as well.

Speaking of the elbow off that Yvalve, now I think I see the mysterious "other" function of this Goldberg Masterpiece. You nutjob, you're going to use the head pump as a bilge pump aren't you? You're going to run a line from that (at the moment) stub connection aft behind the port setee and down into the abyss/bilge.

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bcooke wrote:Okay here is a hint. There will be a section of PVC piping running (not shown) behind the port settee back. I wonder what that is for?...
I suppose that's better than peeing in a scupper drain, right?

Looks good Britton. I'm glad the tank wasn't ready yesterday, 'cuz I wasn't going to be able to go, but I'm dying to see this progress! Awesome!
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Okay Mike, you win the dozen donuts! Tell me the flavor and where to send them and they will be on the way.

Yes, the two Y valves provide three sources of input for the single pump, the toilet, the waste tank, and a line from the bilge. The Jabco locking Y valve diverts the output to either the waste tank or overboard (under the water line). That's the plan anyway. If it doesn't work out I am going to put a second pump in there. If I can get away with a single pump then I can install a shelf in there and gain some storage.

I didn't think of it but an above the waterline waste discharge might be just the thing for clearing out a crowded anchorage :-)

Rachel, you didn't play because you already had the personal tour and explanation of how the system works. You can't pretend to be aloof here.

I got confused on the settee question. I was thinking about the backrests on the settees. Tim got it right. I just put the new bottoms on top of the rough cut edges and saved myself the effort of having to make a clean job of the original cuts.

Thanks for playing everyone and tune in for more updates :-)

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Nathan wrote:I suppose that's better than peeing in a scupper drain, right?
Or the sink, right Rachel ?
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Nah, Robert of the Gray gets the dozen. I'll just have half a chocolate honeydip.
If it doesn't work out I am going to put a second pump in there. If I can get away with a single pump then I can install a shelf in there and gain some storage.
I too am trying to minimize the amount of storage space consumed by all of this head nonsense, but I've taken a slightly different approach toward achieving this, an approach of using two pumps to minimize the space consumed by the plumbing.
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...but I've taken a slightly different approach...
It might be six of one and half a dozen of the other. I look forward to seeing your pictures...
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bcooke wrote: I look forward to seeing your pictures...
Look who's all cocky now that he posted a few pictures for the first time in months! hehe
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[quote="Figment"]Nah, Robert of the Gray gets the dozen. I'll just have half a chocolate honeydip.

Thanks mike

Tell ya what, put my dozen on the table at the NETA party and everybody dig in. Of course the fearless forum director and house poobah deserves first choice and dibs on leftovers.

About the above waterline sewage discharge, here in CA we have breed of shore bird that is protected with strange regulations. It seems this bird, the Poop Puff, evolved during a time when the native peoples wore no clothes and suffered from explosive diareahh. If you pay a small fee you can have your boat become a designated Poop Puff feeding station. I know this may seem strange to others, but I live in a Special place where we think of the feelings of other creatures and we try to.....OK. Sorry.
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hehe, I will definitely put some donuts on the table at the NETA gathering. Why don't you grab a red-eye flight and join us?

If I had an address I could send a Dunkin Donuts gift card or something. (do they have DD out there?) It only seems right that you should get something for your valiant efforts.

Oh, and no worries about the house Poobah getting his fair share. I have seen him pack away the donuts and let me tell you he is a true professional :-)

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bcooke wrote:Oh, and no worries about the house Poobah getting his fair share. I have seen him pack away the donuts and let me tell you he is a true professional :-)
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